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Police Controversy in Seattle; President Obama Addresses Nation

Aired June 16, 2010 - 21:00:00   ET


JOY BEHAR, HOST: Tonight -- a video of a Seattle cop punching a girl for jaywalking has led to lots of questions. Did he use excessive force? Was he defending himself, and was race a factor?

Then, last night President Obama spoke about the terrible oil spill. Then when he was done about talking about the cast of Jersey Shore he made a speech about the problem in the Gulf. We`ll discuss it.

And I see London, I see France, do I see Miley Cyrus` underpants? Was the picture of Miley without panties a hoax and is Perez Hilton in trouble?

That and more right now.

A Seattle police officer was trying to arrest a group of teens for jaywalking on Monday when things quickly got out of hand and turned violent.

Take a look at this video captured on a cell phone camera. Ok.

Ok, with me to talk about this and riveted to watching it is Al Sharpton, Reverend Al Sharpton, civil rights leader and president of the National Action Network; Steve Wilkos a 12-year-veteran of the Chicago Police Department and host of the Steve Wilkos Show; and Casey McNerthney, reporter for Seattlepi.com.

Casey, tell us what happened, exactly.

CASEY MCNERTHNEY, SEATTLEPI.COM: Well, on Monday, there was an officer working in south Seattle, who saw some teenagers jaywalking in an area that`s known for jaywalking, and he stopped them. There was a lot of people around with different cell phones and HD camera, and that produced the video that we`ve all seen here.

BEHAR: Uh-huh. Well, these girls were no angels. What`s the background on them?

MCNERTHNEY: Well, they`ve got records, but nothing -- they`re not hardened criminals. And the 19-year-old was -- was charged with pushing a King County sheriff`s deputy, but that case was deferred because it was her first case. The 17-year-old was charged with robbery, but the witnesses in that case wouldn`t testify so the case was dropped and she also received a deferment for stealing a minivan.

BEHAR: Ok. Ok, Reverend Al, was this an act of anger or self-defense in your opinion?

REV. AL SHARPTON, CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER: Well, I mean, from the tape, it appears to be an act of anger. The question becomes whether punching someone falls within the guidelines of the Seattle police.

You know we have a chapter in National Action Network there. There was an incident that I`m sure Steve knows about with the Latino with the Seattle police not long ago. So I think that it is in the climate of some problems between the community and the Seattle police that this is being viewed at.

I think that, though, one cannot justify people pushing a policeman. The question is whether or not the guys or the police can justify him then punching her. We`re not talking about pushing back, we`re not talking about grabbing an arm and arresting but physically punching her. I think that`s where the outrage here lies.

BEHAR: Steve, you`re a former police officer. So do you think that was an overreaction by the police or --

STEVE WILKOS, HOST, "THE STEVE WILKOS SHOW": I don`t feel it`s an overreaction. As you`re taught, as this policeman was taught, as I was taught in the police academy, you use levels of force to effective arrest. And from what I understand and what I`ve watched on that tape and I`ve watched a little longer version, the officer did start off with verbal commands, tried to restrain them by their arms.

When they start putting their hands on him he`s going to do whatever he feels necessary and is a punch in a face as might be shocking to people that work in TV that come to work and you`re not going to have to punch anybody, policemen do have to punch people to effect an arrest. And that is really, a low level of form of -- a level of necessary force.

And as you see, he punches her one time, and even the girl that she was interfering -- and this not a case simple jaywalking. This is escalating into interfering with police action. This is assaulting a police officer.

BEHAR: Why was he arresting her for jaywalking though?

WILKOS: Let me tell you I visited Seattle I got stop for jaywalking when I was the police. They ordered me to stop. They told me to come over to them. So it`s obviously an issue in Seattle that they take maybe more seriously than other cities.

BEHAR: Boy, oh, boy.

SHARPTON: But I don`t know that he was -- but, Joy, I don`t know if he was arrested -- if he was arrested or punched. I think that to look at that tape by what it appears, I do not think you can say that that officer punched her --


WILKOS: I wasn`t arrested or punched but I complied.

SHARPTON: Let me finish --

WILKOS: I complied.

SHARPTON: I don`t think that you can say that officer had come back and punched her trying to arrest her. I think it appears that he`s reacting in anger and I, again, question whether that is the guidelines that you can come back and assault someone for pushing you as a policeman. And I think that that is the issue that they`re going to have to resolve in this.

WILKOS: It`s simple as this, once those girls pushed that policeman, he was the one being assaulted. So he can effectively put them under arrest. Which if you listen to that tape, he is ordering them, saying, "You are under arrest. Put your hands behind your back. Stop resisting."

He`s using every verbal -- he`s giving them every verbal chance to stop resisting arrest. So he wouldn`t have to use the force. He then used the force --

SHARPTON: Well, Steve has done a very good job of filibustering. He said everything other than, and therefore, he according to guidelines can punch her. We`re not questioning whether he should have the right to say, stop, put your hands behind your back. The question is the punch. And is that within guidelines of the police department? That`s the issue.

WILKOS: Let me jump in here.

BEHAR: The president of the union, police union said this, "If they had an abrasion or scrape or whatever, oh, well, they should have thought of that when they put their hands on the officer." That`s kind of a very - - dismissive situation.


WILKOS: But here`s the thing, if you`re going to push a police officer anybody -- common sense, if you`re going to push a police officer, attack a police officer what do you think is going to happen? You`re probably going to have force used upon you and you`re probably going to get arrested and thrown in jail.

BEHAR: So there`s no room for any thought that it was a little bit of an overreaction to punch the girl?

WILKOS: I don`t think --


BEHAR: If she pushed him, why doesn`t he push her back, just a question?

WILKOS: It looks like they were pushing back and forth and escalate into a punch and he`s got two females going after him and not just one. And he`s got a crowd gathering --

BEHAR: That`s another question. Why is this policeman alone, arresting all these people for jaywalking? Where is his buddy? Why can`t he have somebody with him? Is it budget cuts or something in Seattle?

WILKOS: Let`s make the point clear. I don`t know what this policeman was ordered to enforce jaywalking in that area.

But I don`t think this is not a case about jaywalking. This is a situation where he might have stopped them for jaywalking and it escalated into one, interfering with the police and then assaulting a police officer. That`s probably what they`re charged with. Not with -- I`m sure --

SHARPTON: The question is, then, does he arrest them or does he have the right to punch them? Joy, the issue is, two wrongs don`t make one civil right.

Again, Steve is discussing everything but guidelines of policing. He`s not a civilian now. There`s anger. He`s a police officer.

WILKOS: No, I am a civilian.


BEHAR: Yes, go ahead. Go ahead. Casey, you want to jump in there?

MCNERTHNEY: You know really what Al and Steve are saying is exactly what we`ve heard from people in Seattle. Yesterday morning we heard from the NAACP and from the Urban League who were very upset with this video and said this was a completely out of line. A few hours later, the union president very clearly said that he didn`t think they did anything wrong.

BEHAR: Right.

MCNERTHNEY: What we`ve heard from Seattle police is that they want to review a possible training and tactics going forward to see if there was something that they can do to prevent things like this moving forward.


MCNERTHNEY: But this is really the same kind of debate that we`ve heard in the Seattle area.

BEHAR: Well, now, Al, is there some racial element to this? What do you think about that too? Or Steve? I mean the cop is white and the teenagers are black. I mean is there a racial element?

SHARPTON: Obviously that will be something that would be looked into. People -- my radio show`s on Seattle. People called about that today. I think what is disturbing is immediately the union president said there was no race involved. I don`t know you how do that investigation so quickly. I don`t think that anyone on either side ought to jump to a racial conclusion but I think that you exacerbate it when you say no race is involved before there is even an investigation or an inquiry into this officer or his background in terms of race.

WILKOS: Obviously I agree with that. It`s something that has to be looked at. Just like they looked into these young girl`s background, they need to look at the officer`s background.

Is there excessive force? But again, it`s my thing. As a police officer, you have to get in control of a situation as fast as possible. And this is -- with two people that are combative with him, plus a crowd milling around and gathering. So I think this officer was in my opinion, justified into actions he took and after he hit her --


WILKOS: -- all he did after that if you keep watching that tape all he did was restrain and give verbal orders.

BEHAR: He might have felt -- but, Al, doesn`t he --

SHARPTON: Which he could have done without punching her.

BEHAR: Ok. But, Al --


WILKOS: They`re not listening there.

SHARPTON: Steve, Joy --


SHARPTON: -- if he restrained her later, charged her later, then why was the punching necessary? I mean --

BEHAR: Maybe he felt threatened --


BEHAR: Do you think that maybe he felt threatened by all of those people around him and what could possibly happen to him?

SHARPTON: No, what I think is that that`s why there are guidelines for police before we give them a badge and a gun and that he needs to follow the guidelines and whether the guidelines say if you feel threatened do what you want to do and then go back to police procedure. That`s not you how you conduct policing in this country.

BEHAR: Thank you. Ok, we have to end it there.

Thanks, everyone. Thanks very much.

All right, Valerie Bertinelli joins me next and she`ll lighten up the mood just a bit.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW the battle over the estate of actor Gary Coleman takes a nasty turn.

And blogger Perez Hilton comes under fire after posting photo of 17-year-old Miley Cyrus apparently without underwear.

Now back to Joy.

BEHAR: When she`s not writing books or doing commercials for Jenny Craig, Valerie Bertinelli stars in the new sitcom "Hot in Cleveland". You know I don`t want to brag but I`m hot in Boca. Down there I`m jail bait.

Anyway, let`s take a look at Valerie in action.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everyone, please relax.

VALERIE BERTINELLI, ACTRESS: And I swear that if I survived this I`m going to stop being so vain. And I`m scared.

And I`m not going to complain about anything ever again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve safely landed in Cleveland.

BERTINELLI: Cleveland.


BERTINELLI: I swear it`s a love letter to Cleveland. That we`re not -- no, is that I love Cleveland.

BEHAR: So you were on your way to Paris and you crash landed in Cleveland?

BERTINELLI: Right. And we decided instead to go to a bar to calm our nerves and all of the guys look at us as opposed to past us so we realize we`re Hot in Cleveland.

BEHAR: You`re Hot in Cleveland, yes.

BERTINELLI: -- hence the title.

BEHAR: It is you know it`s a very good premise, because it is true that in L.A. and New York, men don`t look at you. Maybe it`s because most of them are gay. That could be it.

BERTINELLI: It could be.

BEHAR: But besides that you go out into another.

BERTINELLI: Well, they look if you`re younger.


BERTINELLI: I`m past the age of being ogled. Right? Is that the word?

BEHAR: Yes, ogled.


BEHAR: But 35 is the cutoff.



BERTINELLI: -- because really, that that old.

BEHAR: After 35 you become an invisible woman.

BERTINELLI: Ok, well, Tom says he`s going to trade me in when I turn a hundred for two 50-year-olds, so.

BEHAR: Tom the fiance?

BERTINELLI: Tom the fiance. Yes.

BEHAR: Which we`ll get to in a minute.

BERTINELLI: All right, sorry I`m speeding things through.

BEHAR: That`s all right -- I want to talk about Tom quite effectively later. Because you said that you`re going to be like me but you`ve changed your tune but that`s ok.

Now, so you now --

BERTINELLI: Yes, mother.

BEHAR: Exactly. I know what you did.

Could you ever see yourself doing something like that like moving to Cleveland?

BERTINELLI: Absolutely.

BEHAR: You could?

BERTINELLI: I absolutely could. I would rather moving to Tuscany but -- but I could see myself moving to Cleveland though --

BEHAR: You could.

BERTINELLI: Absolutely.

BEHAR: Where did you grow up?

BERTINELLI: I grew in up in Delaware, first state of the union.

BEHAR: In a small town.

BERTINELLI: Yes, Claymont.

BEHAR: -- sort of place -- area.

BERTINELLI: Yes, well, Delaware there`s a --

BEHAR: But I mean, I know it`s a small state --

BERTINELLI: It`s small.

BEHAR: but I mean, it`s a small little neighborhood in Delaware.


BEHAR: So it wasn`t like city dwelling.

BERTINELLI: Because Wilmington is such a burgeoning monopoly.

BEHAR: I`ve been to Wilmington --

BERTINELLI: Oh, I love Wilmington, Delaware.

BEHAR: Yes, yes.

BERTINELLI: You know I do. Once again you`re going to get me in trouble. I`m not speaking any longer. Go ahead.

BEHAR: I always think that the way you grow up is the way that you can stay married. Like geographical differences can be problematic. You know, like I grew up in a tenement sort of building. It was fire escapes just like that. And now I live in a building just like except with a doorman.


BEHAR: My spousal equivalent grew up in the Bronx, so he`s ok with that too. My ex-husband who I am not married to anymore, he grew up in Long Beach, like at a beach. And now, he`s married to someone else and they live at the beach.

BERTINELLY: They`re at the beach. Ok. They`re compatible. Right.

BEHAR: They were compatible geographically.

BERTINELLI: So Ed spoke Dutch, he was raised in Holland and I was -- my ex-husband.

BEHAR: Your first.

BERTINELLI: And I was raised in Delaware and moved across country because I was a GM brat with my father. Tom was raised in Cuyahoga Falls, right, babe.


BEHAR: Don`t you know at this point where the guy was born?

BERTINELLI: Well, born and raised and he also lived in Stowe (ph) and he lived in Chicago.

BEHAR: Stowe, Vermont.

BERTINELLI: No, Stowe, Ohio.

BEHAR: Stowe, Ohio.


BEHAR: never heard of that, but whatever.

BERTINELLI: But, yes, so I think I have more -- I don`t -- does it matter? We have great sex.

BEHAR: let`s talk about the cast of "Hot in Cleveland." Who`s the biggest bitch?


BEHAR: Betty`s the biggest bitch.


BEHAR: OK, good.

BERTINELLI: Without a -- no. You know what? We`ve been around so long that there`s no diva-hood on this set.

BEHAR: Not --

BERTINELLI: No, because you know, we`ve been through it. Not worth it, too much energy.

BEHAR: I agree with that. You cannot really sustain that anyway because someone will die. You know what I mean? Someone will die.

BERTINELLI: I`m sorry was just thinking about you this morning on "The View".

BEHAR: You thought I was in a crabby mood this morning.

BERTINELLI: You were a little Cranky McCranker.

BEHAR: No way, I wasn`t. Was I really?

BERTINELLI: Just a little bit.

BEHAR: It`s my personality. I can`t help myself.

BERTINELLI: No, you`re not. That`s the opposite of you.

BEHAR: I`m not Ms. Sunshine, darling. Get over it. Now what about Betty White doing this whole career at 88, isn`t it fabulous?

BERTINELLI: But she`s been around a while. She has had a very -- she has six Emmys. She`s had a very successful career --

BEHAR: I know that. But they threw you off.

BERTINELLI: And it`s crazy now. Now it`s like the White Hot Betty, yes it`s great.

BEHAR: But I mean they throw you off TV that`s my point.

BERTINELLI: They do. But this all gives us hope.


BERTINELLI: At 88 1/2 we can still be on television.

BEHAR: Exactly. Exactly.

BERTINELLI: Or do we want to be?

BEHAR: And you know what. And the interesting thing is you always talk about your age so we know you`re over 50 at this point. Right. You turned 50 when?

BERTINELLI: I turned 50 on April 23rd.

BEHAR: Ok. And you were on the cover of AARP. Can we see that cover? Do we have it? Because you look so cute.


BEHAR: Look at you, you look 20.

BERTINELLI: Oh please. No, I don`t.

BEHAR: Yes, you look very good.

BERTINELLI: I guess they air brushed it then.

BEHAR: And you know Bruce Springsteen was on the cover last year at AARP.


BEHAR: It`s become like the hot magazine all of a sudden. It was an embarrassment to be even joining it.

BERTINELLI: Well, I think we need to start celebrating our age. We are the boomers and I think we`re smarter than the x-ers and we just need to start owning it.

BEHAR: Yes. One more question about it, did they give you a free subscription to "AARP" magazine?

BERTINELLI: I think you automatically get one, don`t you, when you turn 50?

BEHAR: Really.

BERTINELLI: Yes, I think -- you don`t have yours yet?

BEHAR: I`ll see when I get 50. I`ll let you know.

You recently got engaged which surprised me because you and Tom were on the show in October and I asked you if you were going to get married. Watch.


BEHAR: So you`ve been dating for five in years. Are there wedding plans?

BERTINELLI: We`re living in sin.

BEHAR: I know. Me too, for 27 years.

BERTINELLI: I know. What did you call him the other day?

BEHAR: Spousal equivalent.

BERTINELLI: I love that. You`re my spousal equivalent honey because I don`t want to do the seating chart.

BEHAR: You`re not going to get married?

BERTINELLI: I don`t want to do the seating chart.


BERTINELLI: I don`t want to get mad at you. I want to be at table 17.

BEHAR: that`s true.

BERTINELLI: I don`t know why?

BEHAR: How about you, do you want to get married, Tom?

TOM VITALE, VALERIE BERTINELLI`S FIANCE: I don`t know. She hasn`t asked me yet.


BEHAR: So now you`re getting married.

BERTINELLI: Well, what am I supposed to say? He asked me, no. I want to spend the rest of my life with him. And if he wants to get married -- you know it`s kind of romantic and fun too. I don`t know how to answer this question anymore. I don`t.

BEHAR: You don`t? Tell people it`s none of your business.


BEHAR: Try that.

BERTINELLI: It`s none your freaking business.

BEHAR: Where was the proposal made?


BEHAR: In bed, you said.

BERTINELLI: In Florence.

BEHAR: In Florence in bed.

BERTINELLI: we rented a hotel room there was a bed there and it was in Florence.

BEHAR: And what did he say to you?


BEHAR: You don`t have to say it.

BERTINELLI: Thank you.

BEHAR: All right, Valerie.

But you know what? Don`t go anywhere because in the next segment I`m going to bring him out here and I want to ask him why he asked you to marry him. Yes I want to find out from him.


BEHAR: Ok? We`ll be back in a minute.



BERTINELLI: My first date in 25 years. He wants me to meet him at Whiskey Island Marina. Do you know where that is?

BETTY WHITE, ACTRESS: It`s where whores go. You`re too old to act like this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s not old. Forty is the new 30.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And 50 is the new 40.

WHITE: What`s 80?



BEHAR: Well that was a look at the new sitcom "Hot in Cleveland". That`s what I meant to say, starring Valerie Bertinelli, who is back with me now and also joining us is Valerie`s fiance Tom Vitale. Welcome, Tom.

VITALE: Welcome.

BEHAR: So what made you decide to pop the question, Tom? Because you were going together a long time?

VITALE: She`s pregnant.

BEHAR: I was going to ask that. Was it a shotgun?


BERTINELLI: Yes, right. I don`t know how. My eggs are too old and he`s had a vasectomy. So go figure that out one.

BEHAR: I mean what came over you? Was it Italy?

VITALE: It was the right time. It was Italy. The romance of Italy.

BERTINELLI: It`s kind of sunset over the Arnot River (ph).

VITALE: The Ponte Veccio (ph).

BERTINELLI: The Ponte Veccio is right there in the background. It`s kind of really gorgeous.

BEHAR: I know.

BERTINELLI: And we`ve never been on Italy. That was on my bucket list and I was able to cross that one off.

BEHAR: It was on your bucket list you mean like before you die.


BEHAR: I hate that term. You`re too young to die. Don`t even say that. That`s for old, old people -- the bucket list.

BERTINELLI: But I`m on the cover of "AARP".

BEHAR: I know but still. So did she say "yes" right away or did she say "let me think about it".

VITALE: She kind of busted on me for a while.

BEHAR: Did you?

BERTINELLI: I said, "What are you, crazy? Why you are asking me this for."

BEHAR: Were you scared or what Tom?

VITALE: I was.

BERTINELLI: He was really nervous.

BEHAR: About asking.


BEHAR: Do you think that she might reject you?

VITALE: No, I was just scared. My palms were sweaty.

BERTINELLI: I`m sorry.

BEHAR: Well, as long as they weren`t hairy, you know what I mean.

VITALE: They weren`t hairy. You`re bad.

BEHAR: Now let`s hear about the wedding. When`s the wedding?

BERTINELLI: He`s planning it. I don`t want to have anything to do with it.

VITALE: Secret date, secret place.


BERTINELLI: The date, the time and where we`re doing it. Sure we`ll announce it on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW.


BEHAR: Well I would think you should go back to Italy and get married.

BERTINELLI: That will be nice.

VITALE: We just might.

BERTINELLI: Destination weddings not as many people will show up.

BEHAR: You don`t want them to show up.


VITALE: We`re going to have it on a Monday -- morning.

BEHAR: Now you were both married before.


BEHAR: When you were younger.


BEHAR: And you -- I presume you think this one will be different, being married will be different?

BERTINELLI: Well, you know what? The top 25 things that you know married people really should know I think that list that we did on "The View" was really smart. I think had I known that I probably -- you know and you too. Maybe our first marriages would have worked. I`m glad they didn`t.

BEHAR: Well, which ones stood out for you do you remember?

BERTINELLI: Besides the -- no.

BEHAR: Which one on the list? Was there anything that stood out for you that was relevant to you?

BERTINELLI: So many things about, you know, that -- don`t expect everything in one person.


BERTINELLI: And don`t roll your eyes, because it says a lot more than yelling.

BEHAR: Rolling your eyes?

BERTINELLI: By the time you got to rolling your eyes then you`re so done with that. That`s a really good one. To have sex.

BEHAR: Yes, have sex. Like I said --

BERTINELLI: Be consistent.

BEHAR: They don`t say, with whom?

VITALE: I`ll tell you, we talk it out though. We don`t fight it out. I used to fight it out. Now we just talk it out.

BEHAR: You don`t feel the need to argue anymore?

VITALE: We don`t fight.

BERTINELLI: Not that we don`t have disagreements.

VITALE: Right.

BERTINELLI: And some things we have stronger disagreements about but we really got to a point to where we talk to one another and say listen I`m feeling this many degrees off. Do we want to fix this?

BEHAR: Right.

BERTINELLI: Or do you want it to be done and we have to do this with somebody else all over again.

BEHAR: That`s right.

Ok, you know what? I wish you all the best, really.

VITALE: Thank you.

BEHAR: You know, hope springs eternal.

And be sure to watch the series premiere of "Hot in Cleveland" tonight at 10:00 on TV land.

Up next I`ll speak to one of Gary Coleman`s close friends about the ongoing feud over the late actor`s estate.


BEHAR: You know what`s up with all of these former Disney stars being photographed getting out of cars? Not wearing panties? First Britney Spears, then Lindsay Lohan and now Perez Hilton posted a picture of Miley Cyrus in which she may or may not be wearing panties. You know if Walt Disney could see this he`d be rolling over in his freezer and why is it they`re always getting out of cars when they are half-naked, is there something about the feel of fine Corinthian leather that I don`t know about? Joining me now are Amy Dickinson a syndicated columnist for the "Chicago Tribune," and Rob Shuter, AOL`s Popeater columnist. Welcome. OK, Perez Hilton has since taken down the photo, saying it was just pixelated to look like she wasn`t wearing underwear. Now you`ve seen the picture.


BEHAR: Is there any doubt that she was covered?

SHUTER: She`s covered but I was a little nervous to look at these pictures. I thought my computer would get a virus or maybe prince Hafortson (ph) from Dateline would show up on my door.

BEHAR: Or maybe turn you straight. Do you ever think of that?


SHUTER: I -- I didn`t think of that, Joy, but thank you for pointing that out.

BEHAR: You`re welcome.

SHUTER: I saw the pictures. She is covered.

BEHAR: Did I just out you? Because you know we`re on tape.

SHUTER: She -- she is covered. She is covered. And she was actually shooting a music video so I think she was more focused on probably the lyrics or the intention than how she was getting out of the car.


SHUTER: She got out of the car. It`s a little white dress she`s wearing. The wind blew, blew up her dress and saw -- and Perez Hilton though, could be in serious trouble. He tweeted a picture and on the picture that he tweeted there are no underwear on this young Miley. She`s 17 years old --

BEHAR: So he made that up?

SHUTER: He made it up.

BEHAR: Well, I mean, so in other words the girl does have underwear - -

SHUTER: A hundred percent

BEHAR: For a fact.

SHUTER: I`ve seen the pictures.

BEHAR: So Perez Hilton takes picture.


BEHAR: Does a I think in with it.

SHUTER: Does a Photoshop with it.

BEHAR: And makes it look like no underwear. Amy, Amy, what do you think about all of that.

AMY DICKINSON, SYNDICATED ADVICE COLUMNIST, CHICAGO TRIBUNE: Ugh, ugh. Well I hate even mentioning Perez Hilton`s name because it`s like click, click, click, click, click. You know he makes money of this, and you know the bigger problem, of course, is when we monetize you know the provocative acts of very young, young girls. They make money off of it, too, and Miley Cyrus is you know she`s making the kinds of choices, 17- year-old girls make and you know I`m a mom. Many a time I have said, huh- uh you`re not leaving the house like that, she has no adult direction.

BEHAR: Uh-huh.

DICKINSON: -- telling her to do otherwise.

BEHAR: Yes, my daughter always says that to me. You`re not leaving the house like that. So is he in trouble, Perez Hilton?

SHUTER: He could in trouble.


SHUTER: Like anybody who sends out pictures doctored or not of anybody of a 17-year-old is technically promoting child pornography. So he could be in serious trouble. He`s now issued a statement, he did a video blog that he put on hiswebsite and he didn`t really address what had happened here. He sort of said everything was fine. It was a misunderstanding. In this day in age and with technology being what it is, you can find this stuff out. He did it. There`s a trail. He sent out this picture. It`s something, now, that he has to talk about.

BEHAR: Well, wouldn`t we know if he was in trouble that the point?

SHUTER: Well, I think this is going to move along quite slowly. Who is going to go after him.

BEHAR: Miley, maybe Miley`s father.

SHUTER: Miley could, Miley`s father could. The state of California could.


SHUTER: Just the citizen in California could go after him for this. I think that he`s got to be really careful. I would imagine he`s quite nervous at the moment.

BEHAR: OK, now let`s get back to Miley for a second because this is just one example in a long line of Miley`s questionable behavior. Most recently she was criticized for simulating a kiss with a girl during a performance on "BRITAIN`S GOT TALENT." Watch.


And I`ll tell you and I`m not here to sell yes but tell you go to hell, I`m not a friend like that --


BEHAR: You know she seems to be deliberately trying to break out of that young girl.

SHUTER: Yes she`s not Hanna Montana anymore.

BEHAR: She doesn`t want to be Hanna Montana.

SHUTER: She wants to put that aside. I don`t think there is anything wrong with this. I think she`s a performer. She`s an entertainer. She`s not doing this in her private life. You`re not seeing Miley in night clubs doing this, you`re not seeing her out drinking. On stage she`s a little provocative. People got shocked when Elvis Presley wiggled his hips, like I think that we should all figure out it`s show business and she`s doing what sells.

BEHAR: Yes, yes. Amy, is this a good idea for her career or is she about to become Britney 2012.

DICKINSON: Well you know of course at the risk of dating myself, I`m remembering back into the golden age of child youth stars, you know, Brooke Shields. Remember Brooke Shields and you know she was in this very highly sexualized role and then at age 17, what did she decide to do? She said I`m going to Princeton. So like that -- those days are gone. I think that -- I agree that this is a performance --

BEHAR: What sexualized role was Brooke in? What --

DICKINSON: Oh remember she was --

SHUTER: "Blue Lagoon."

DICKINSON: I remember she was in that Calvin Klein ad.

SHUTER: Yes, yes.

BEHAR: Oh, nothing comes between me and my Calvin.

DICKINSON: And Jodie Foster.


DICKINSON: Yes, right Jody Foster to actually drive her.

BEHAR: So they reinvented their careers you`re saying by doing something serious? And so Miley should do that.

DICKINSON: Right I mean they also got an education. They went to college and so, I fear, of course, that you know Lindsay Lohan is sort of the new model. Britney Spears is the new model of how to break out of your sort of you know Disney image. And it`s very unfortunate because as I say, Miley`s receiving apparently no adult guidance or supervision.

SHUTER: I think Miley`s smarter than all of us. I think that Miley`s selling records. She`s going to make hit movies. Madonna did this before any of them. Madonna didn`t end up in rehab. You can dance and be provocative and be a really smart business woman and I think that`s the mistake that people are making here with Miley.

BEHAR: You agree with that?

DICKINSON: No, I agree, but you know she was also photographed lap dancing, you know, last year and it really, really very extremely highly inappropriate sort of setup at a private party, and you know, like she needs some direction. Every teenager does and she`s not getting it.

BEHAR: You know 17 --


BEHAR: They call it a teenager. I know that 17 is still the teen years -

SHUTER: Right.

BEHAR: But to me you`re almost an adult at 17.

SHUTER: I agree, I think --

BEHAR: You`re in college.

SHUTER: Yes, I was 17-year-olds are copying Miley. Younger girls are -- Miley`s a grown-up now. She`s making a billion dollars. She`s one of the richest celebrities out there. She`s not doing this in her personal life. If we saw pictures of Miley falling out of nightclubs, then I`d be worried. Doing a video where she`s dancing and grinding, she`s laughing all the way to the bank.

BEHAR: OK so she just needs to be careful how she gets out cars, is that it?


SHUTER: She does, but unfortunately, though, she got out of the car and she had underwear on. And she didn`t get out of the car outside a restaurant, she was shooting a video so she was focusing on this, not on below the waist.

BEHAR: Yes but you don`t need to get out of car like that.

SHUTER: When you`re get out of the car and someone`s shooting a video, and you are told, get out quick, look at the camera -


SHUTER: Turn out to the left, you are not focusing on what the camera doesn`t see and unfortunately paparazzi follow her everywhere and then idiots send out this misguiding information about her and I think that the repercussion are going to be really hard for Perez.

BEHAR: OK and Perez Hilton better watch himself, right. That`s what you mean, Perez. Yes.


BEHAR: OK, thanks guys, up next, president Obama`s speech last night did not stem the oil in the Gulf but did it stem the attacks he`s facing from all sides? We`ll discuss.


BEHAR: President Obama appears to be doing everything he can to make sure Americans know that stopping the oil spill`s his main priority. He met with BP executives today and last night he delivered a speech on the disaster from the oval office. Watch.


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES: But make no mistake. We will fight this spill with everything we`ve got for as long as it takes. We will make BP pay for the damage their company has caused, and we will do whatever is necessary to help the Gulf Coast and its people to help recover from this tragedy.


BEHAR: Well, let`s just hope the next time Malia says daddy, did you plug the hole she isn`t 47 years old. So was this was speech enough to please his critics or did it just give them more material? Here with me to discuss this are Ron Reagan, liberal commentator, and actress and comedian Janeane Garofalo, her comedy special premieres on epics, June 26th at 10:00 p.m. Janeane, start with you, did you like the speech?

JANEANE GAROFALO, ACTRESS: No, I didn`t feel that it was a strong speech and I felt the prayer thing he did was pandering and anti- intellectual and just sort of a waste of time.

BEHAR: Anti-intellectual or overly intellectual?

GAROFALO: He himself is.


GAROFALO: When politicians use that prayer stuff it is anti- intellectual. It has nothing do with what has happened, it has nothing to do with any real way to solve a problem. You know I felt this speech was not very effective. You know fighting -- fighting it with all that they`ve got, what would had been good is to undo the bush policies that brought this. You know, Ken Salazar should not have been the interior secretary.

BEHAR: I agree, right.

GAROFALO: That people from mineral management services should not still have been able to work. BP has a terrible track record. It`s amazing that the Bush policies were allowed to still flourish, that the drill, baby, drill policy was still going. That any of these disasters could had been avoided because it wasn`t -- it wasn`t unknown what could have gone wrong.

BEHAR: OK. Well, he did blame a lot on the agency that was still in place. He did say that it was ineffective.

GAROFALO: Right so why did he not take care of that when he got into office?

BEHAR: A good question. Ron, what do you think?

RON REAGAN, LIBERAL COMMENTATOR: Well, too little too late I agree with Janeane, he did bring up the mineral management services of course, and that is really the crux of this, to me. You know, BP was doing what BP could be expected to do. Cut corners, act recklessly, all in the name of profits. But mineral management service is supposed to be regulating them and overseeing this had fallen asleep on the job, actually that`s not even the right way to put it. Fallen asleep on the job suggests they actually wanted to do the job somehow in the first place, but they didn`t of course because they`re all former or you know, perspective oil company employees there. That`s the criminality here, it`s not just BP it`s the MMS.

BEHAR: Do you think it would had been any different if a Republican was in office now? Do the same thing or worse?

GAROFALO: No the exact same thing because these are these type of Conservative anti-regulation policies and also all of this kind of culture of oil cronyism and I will not say that Democrats don`t partake in that. Obviously they do. But it might be worse if Bush was in office in maybe more hiding in scientific facts or maybe they would do that thing. They always say about no fingerprinting. Now`s not the time for the blame. They always say that.

BEHAR: Oh yes, yes. Whenever they are to blame.

GAROFALO: But the policies are still the same unfortunately. The same Bush policies that we`ve been laboring under have been continued. There is no reason why MMS has been allowed to thrive the way they have. There`s no reason Ken Salazar should be the department of the interior and there`s no reason that BP should still be doing what they`re doing right now as we speak with other rigs.

BEHAR: Uh huh, so the Left is very hard on them, though, I think. The Left is going very hard. Part of the frustration I think with -- on the Left and the Right, probably is that he can`t fix it. He can`t do it. People say, he should do it. What do they want him do.

GAROFALO: Well there are many, many things a president could and should do to make sure these types of things --

BEHAR: Isn`t he doing some of it?

GAROFALO: I would hope so but there should had been regulation. You know I mean, there should had been regulatory reform as he came into office.

BEHAR: When he came into office.


BEHAR: Yes, Ron, why didn`t he do that?

REAGAN: Well, because he`s a corporatist like all our other presidents have been for a long, long time. That`s what`s being revealed here. Barack Obama is just as much a corporatist as George H.W. -- or George W. Bush was. He`s a little less obvious about it. I think maybe not hard as in. He`s not an actual oil man himself, but listen he`s between a rock and a hard place here. He just propose that we open up a lot of our coastline to deepwater drilling. Offshore drilling. Completely ignoring the fact that any independence on oil by America is dependents on foreign oil. That`s the think I think a lot of people don`t understand here.

BEHAR: It`s kind of shocking in a way. It`s kind of shocking to me.

REAGAN: Well, of course but you can drill all that you want for oil on American territory. It goes into a global market. We`re going to sell it to China just as much as we`re going to sell it to you know American drivers here. There`s no such thing as American oil. It`s all fungible. It`s all global so any dependents on oil is dependents on foreign oil.

BEHAR: Well he used the opportunity to bring up energy policy, do you think he was effective at all? Because I was a little disappointed in that. You know we need alternative energy and there`s no and about it and the American people are so lackadaisical about it that even now no one seems to see the urgency of the situation.

GAROFALO: I think that there are many people who are seeing the urgency. There are many people who are very concerned about this. There should had been clean energy reform made many, many years ago. There`s many people who have tried to do this and because oil runs everything it keeps getting thwarted. There`s no reason why we shouldn`t have more clean energy and more reform in that area too. It`s just -- it`s one of those things it just keeps business as usual, it just keeps going and going and going.

BEHAR: I know. He met with BP men today. Ron, do you think that he kicked their butts at all today.

REAGAN: No, I don`t think it`s about kicking their butts. No, of course not about. It`s nice a$20 billion fund to pay people off.

BEHAR: Right.

REAGAN: But who says when the people actually get the money. There are people who are still waiting for a pay off from the Exxon Valdez.


REAGAN: I mean, you know, just because there`s money in a fund doesn`t mean it`s actually going to be going to people. I will imagine that BP will litigate every claim.

BEHAR: He said -- originally he didn`t want to meet with them because he didn`t want to hear their talking points. That is so Bush -- so bushlike. It`s shocking that he`s behaving this way certainly.

GAROFALO: I don`t know who is giving him the worst advice in the world. I don`t know -- I don`t know why this presidency has been as disappointing as it has been. I really feel like he`s being advised terribly. Now, there`s the critics that will always criticize him and I don`t think it`s even valid to entertain the tea party kind of nonsense and also they don`t like government, now they want government to intervene.

BEHAR: Oh I know, hypocrisies.

GAROFALO: So the hypocrisies of some of his critics is not even really worth discussing.

BEHAR: And also what scares me too is that you know he`s getting attacked from the Left and the Right. He`s really being attacked I think a lot. And who`s going to take place? Who are we going to get instead of him? Some Sarah Palin clone, or she herself? It`ll be even worse.

GAROFALO: Well, there`s a difference between attacking and criticizing.

REAGAN: That`s dilemma.

BEHAR: Isn`t that`s a scary thought.

REAGAN: That`s the dilemma for liberal. That`s the dilemma for progressives and dilemmas if you get someone worse than President Barack Obama.

BEHAR: So what are we suppose to do about it.


REAGAN: What are we going to do? Keep lighting the fire under him. Keep doing what we`re doing, talking about it. That`s all we can do really.

GAROFALO: And we need - I think we need reform is important. That people really do get more, fair information and more news about what`s going on and more transparency.

BEHAR: How much more news do we need? Every station is news.

GAROFALO: Oh yes but it`s not good -- it`s not well presented. There`s not context and history and nuance and complexity. They have all this he said she said nonsense. As if there is two sides to every story which there isn`t. It would be great if these news source would tell the truth once in awhile. That would that be interesting.

BEHAR: Well, we try to do our best here.

GAROFALO: Yes, you guys are good, you got that Miley Cyrus thing all wrapped up.

BEHAR: OK, you won`t be back. Thanks a lot.

(LAUGHTER) BEHAR: And don`t forget check out Janeane Garofalo if you will, premiering on Epic, June 26th at 10 p.m. back after a quick break.


BEHAR: Three different wills, two crazy 911 calls, and one determined ex-wife have overshadowed Gary Coleman`s death. Here to discuss all the fighting over his estate is Ken Emmons, a friend of Gary Coleman and co- executor of his estate.

Kent, you and Anna Gray were named as co-executors of Gary`s estate in the most recent will to surface, because there are a few of them. When was the last time you talked to Gary?

KENT EMMONS, GARY COLEMAN`S FRIEND: I talked to Gary two or three months before he passed. And his health of course has been deteriorating quite a bit. But I talked to him probably I guess, it would be, yes, right, probably two or three months, something like that before.

BEHAR: OK and who is Anna exactly, I mean, I kind of have an idea, what was her relationship with Gary.

EMMONS: You know, anybody that is close to Gary knows that Anna, was probably the closest person he`s ever been to. Anna was, there was certainly a romantic relationship there. But also he was really - she was really his keeper. She really took care of him. You know he had a lot of health issues and she took care of him on that side. She also took care of some of his business and helped him with that. But to my recollection, I don`t think she ever took a dime for that. She actually always had her own job. And did her own thing but was there helping him doing that.

BEHAR: Uh huh.

EMMONS: And they were together for quite some time.

BEHAR: And then what happens to the relationship?

EMMONS: You know, I don`t know, I really didn`t get into that. Wasn`t really into my business. Back in 2005, Gary had started working for one auto networks, and started making a few bucks, was doing well in the video game field. And was starting to accumulate some things. He wanted to do a will and just out of the blue, asked if I would be one of the executors on the, on the will. I said, absolutely, it would be delighted. I never dreamed it of course, that Gary would pass, you know, this young.

BEHAR: Yes. Now you know, according to the most recent will, Anna Gray is the sole heir of Gary`s estate. But Gary`s ex-wife Shannon claims that she was his common law wife and that a hand written addendum to one of his wills, leaves everything to her. In your opinion does Shannon Price have any claim to that will?

EMMONS: No she has no claim whatsoever. No. As a matter of fact when I talk to Gary, you know Gary, to give you an idea of their relationship, Gary would have to actually sneak telephone calls out to his friends back in California or wherever because she was trying to isolate him. And we would always joke. He would call every three or four months. And we`d catch up and stuff like that. Every four or five calls he had laugh about, now don`t forget, if something happens to me. I said, I know, I know, we got you cover. And of course, I would always say, you know, Gary you are going to outlive me, probably by 100 years. And but -


EMMONS: The situation was he was absolutely afraid of her and the - just coincidentally, the last telephone call with Gary, you know, he said, obviously his health was getting much worse, and he said, you know, just make sure Anna is taken cared off. And Anna and I are on the will as co- executors, however, she is the primary executor and we`ll do a terrific job -

BEHAR: But tell me, what do you make of Shannon`s behavior in this whole thing?

EMMONS: Look Joy, what do you say to somebody who takes a picture of somebody they supposedly love and you know, on their death bed, and puts it out there and - you know what I mean, it`s - I saw on one of the other networks where I - slip of the tongue, called her white trash. And my brother laughed about it. And said you know what, you are probably going to get her back lash from the white trash contingency, saying what are you grouping her with us for? I mean I think she`s despicable. I think she is absolutely despicable. And her behavior is despicable, what she did to Gary is despicable. And the way she handled him was despicable.

BEHAR: OK, thanks very much Kent, we hope to get the results soon. Good night everybody.


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