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Jury Deliberations Begin on Jerry Sandusky Trial; Stock Market Takes Large Tumble; Adopted Sandusky Son Accuses Father of Abuse; Mother Arrested for Allegedly Planting Drugs on Volunteer; Widespread Support of Bullied Woman; Mitt Romney and Barack Obama Court Latino Vote
Aired June 22, 2012 - 11:00 ET
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ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, ANCHOR, "CNN NEWSROOM": Hi, everybody. I'm Ashleigh Banfield and it is 11:00 on the East Coast, 8:00 on the West Coast. Here we go.
It's the first full day of jury deliberations in the Jerry Sandusky trial and I do mean full. Forty-eight counts that they are considering and that is not counting the bombshell claim from one of Sandusky's own sons.
And in Philadelphia, the 13th day of deliberations in the 13th week of a sex abuse trial of two people belonging to the Catholic Church, priests, one an alleged monster, the other an alleged enabler.
And we are also in Orlando where Hispanic voters and leaders are about to hear from Marco Rubio and then later from President Obama. You're going to hear from them, too, right here in the "CNN Newsroom."
Let's begin this hour with the upside of the downgrade. Yes, you heard it. The New York markets aren't crying over the troubles too badly in the world's largest banks and their suffering. The Dow is actually up nicely right now after one blistering day yesterday when the Dow dropped about 250 points.
Overseas, it's a bit of a different story, though. Big selloffs in Europe, selloffs in Asia. Down, down, down. Look at all of those arrows. It's a bad board, folks. That's what they say, a bad board.
Here's the big reason why. After the closing bell yesterday, the credit rating agency called Moody's decided that 15 of the top banks, banks that decide whether you or I are actually good risks for loans, may not be such good risks themselves. Lowering their ratings, Moody's cited this, quote, "significant exposure to the volatility and the risk of outside losses inherent to market activities." Pretty clear, isn't it?
Alison Kosik is at the New York Stock Exchange to make it even clearer. Here's the question right off the bat. I get up real early in the morning. I was on the air at 5:00 a.m. with Christine Romans this morning and we were predicting that things might not go so well this morning and that's just not the case.
ALISON KOSIK, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, I mean, a lot of what you're seeing is the bounce back is happening because all the bargain hunters are back.
Look at how stocks were hit yesterday. The Dow fell 250 points, S&P 500, NASDAQ down more than 2 percent, so when that happens, a lot of the investors come out of the woodwork and just start buying up these cheap stocks.
But don't let the board fool you. You are seeing green arrows today, but there still is a world of worry because these downgrades really leave a big question. Just how much are these big banks exposed to the European debt crisis and the slowing economies around the world?
Now, this is the latest move by Moody's that it's really taken over the past few weeks because it's been pretty busy. It's been downgrading banks across Europe and what it shows, Ashleigh, is that these worries are widespread and the big fear at this point is that these banks could become so worried about losses that they stop lending to each other and to businesses which could cause another global credit crunch.
That, of course, is the worst case scenario. Ashleigh?
BANFIELD: OK, so, the bargain hunters makes sense when you're talking about why we've rebounded somewhat on the Dow, but I think there's still a lot of questions for the average guy, like me, who maybe doesn't know everything in my 401(k) at a glance. I'd really have to look it up.
But what about interest rates and things like that, stuff that the consumer out there actually needs to know about? Is all of this affected?
KOSIK: OK, so, what does a downgrade mean for you? If you're the customer, it's not going to change your day-to-day banking, but what this does is it makes it more expensive for these banks to do business themselves.
It's more expensive for them to operate because what it does is it raises their borrowing costs, so we could see these higher costs pass on to us.
Now, banks are already struggling with less revenue after all of this reform on Wall Street, so they've been trying to make up with a lot of fees, as we know. Look at this. Less than half of those non- interest checking accounts are free these days. That's compared to 65 percent two years ago, so it wouldn't be so surprising if they find a way to make more fees if their businesses are hurt by these downgrades.
Also, there's a chance that these banks will be more reticent to loan out more money, even though now, it's pretty hard to get a loan these days anyway, but this could make it worse.
BANFIELD: And so frustrating because they're so enticing at their low, low rates and then you go in and you hear the old "you- don't-qualify-quite-like-we" ...
KOSIK: Yes. They make it real tough.
BANFIELD: Alison Kosik, do they ever. Thanks for being with us. Good to see you. Have a lovely weekend, my friend.
KOSIK: Thank you.
BANFIELD: Let me take you to Bellefonte, Pennsylvania. Wow, what a story going on there. A dozen residents of Centre County have an awful lot on their minds right now, a lot to think about, but we know that there is something that they are not thinking about.
Here's what I'm speaking of. The jury in the child rape trial of former Penn State assistant coach and former child advocate, Jerry Sandusky, jurors got this case yesterday, so they have been deliberating since yesterday. Late into the night last night, too.
But as you've probably heard, it was not long afterward that they disappeared into the jury room and the doors shut that one of Sandusky's own adopted sons came forward and claimed that he, too, had suffered sexual abuse at the hands of Jerry Sandusky.
CNN's Susan Candiotti is live right now outside of the Centre County courthouse. This is such a bombshell and it is so overwhelming and, I think, a lot of people want to know why now would this story come out?
Why not before those jurors went into that deliberation room where this really could have made a difference in what they are trying to decide?
SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Ashleigh, what a development. You're not kidding.
And this information coming in the form of a statement from Matt Sandusky, saying that he had been abused by his father. The reason we're only hearing about this now is because now we have learned that Matt Sandusky was to be a part of the prosecution's rebuttal case.
Evidently, according to Matt Sandusky's lawyers, he only came forward to them since the trial began and then they arranged a meeting between Matt Sandusky and prosecutors. And evidently, prosecutors were planning to bring him on as a rebuttal witness if Jerry Sandusky had taken the stand.
We saw Matt Sandusky come into court that day, but we didn't know at the time that prosecutors had him in their back pocket to bring forward. But because Sandusky didn't take the stand, they weren't able to use Matt Sandusky's newfound allegations.
BANFIELD: So, Susan, I know this is probably way too early to ask given that the announcement of this alleged abuse came yesterday, but does anybody have any idea as to whether prosecutors are harnessing this, making a decision on what to do about it, considering a separate indictment, separate from the trial that we're in right now?
CANDIOTTI: Well, certainly, one reason why this is surprising is because, prior to now in public statements, Matt Sandusky had been supportive openly of his father, but he did testify before the grand jury and at the time the defense attorney for Jerry Sandusky said he wasn't worried about what Matt Sandusky had to say.
Now, apparently, he may have to. Certainly when anyone comes forward with allegations, they are investigated. Will this lead to additional charges against Jerry Sandusky? It's too soon to tell.
BANFIELD: Well, I tell you what. They have a lot to do with 48 counts to look over and they have to mark their forms on each one of those counts, whether it's guilty or not guilty.
So who knows if we'll get something today. The trial sure went fast. Susan Candiotti, you're on it for us. Thank you very much.
So we're going to stay on that story for you and then later this hour on CNN, we're going to go to the contributor on this story, Sara Ganim, who's been terrifically helpful to CNN. She's going to join us with her take on this trial as well as the deliberations and the next steps for both sides in this case.
Just a reminder, if you are heading out the door right now, not to fear. You do not have to be disconnected from your news. You can watch CNN everywhere you go. If you go to CNN.com/TV, you can find out how to get us on your mobile phone and then on your desktop when you reach where you're going. Connected all day long, CNN.
BANFIELD: Now, a story that could affect people all over the world. A controversial academic paper has been discussed and it describes how the deadly bird-flu virus could easily be spread among people.
A scientific advisory board had suggested that some of the data actually be censored from this paper, but then later reversed its warning. If it fell into the wrong hands, it could certainly turn into a deadly biological weapon.
Elizabeth Cohen joins us now live from Atlanta. So what is going on here and how is this going to end up? Are we going to get the information? Is it already out there anyway? And -- I hate to say it -- is this all academic, but what is the story?
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Ashleigh, it's out there. It's now in the Journal of Science, which is a widely disseminated journal.
You and I and everyone else can go online and basically read how you can make a super-deadly version of the bird-flu virus. I mean, it's right there and that obviously has a lot of people concerned because then it could possibly fall into the wrong hands. BANFIELD: It's not as though other dangerous information isn't already out there on the Web. You theoretically could build your own nuclear bomb at this point. But how did this one get out there and wasn't there any concern about censoring before it got out?
COHEN: Yes. There were some people out there who said, A, don't publish it at all and other people who said, B, publish it but redact, leave out some of the most vital parts of it.
But the NIH basically decided, go ahead and do the whole thing. There were kind of two reasons behind that. There were several, but here are the two big ones. One, you want legitimate scientists to see this information because you want good scientists around the world to be on the lookout for this bug and to know what they are looking for.
Two, you want good scientists to develop a vaccine, so if this does happen, we'll have a vaccine ready to fight it. So that's why they decided to do it.
The other big reason is, Ashleigh, by the time this became an issue, by the time people started asking all these questions, it was out there. Hundreds of people have already seen it.
I was talking to a bioethicist Art Caplan about this just today. He said, look, the Journal editors had seen it. The folks who reviewed this had seen it. The lab techs had seen it. The cat was out of the bag.
BANFIELD: So how easy is this actually? We all know it's a little bit tricky to get your hands on uranium, so we've got that covered. But what about bird flu? Is this a tricky project? Is it something that an 11th-grade science fair student could actually pull off or is it really tricky?
COHEN: Art Caplan captain said to me, Elizabeth, don't worry about some crazy high school student doing this. This is too difficult. It takes specialized knowledge. Even one lone smart terrorist on his own couldn't do this. You need a very sophisticated lab.
Now could a rogue nation do this? A nation with some nice, big, fancy labs? That is possible, but it is interesting to note they couldn't do it that quickly. It's not a matter of weeks or months. It really would likely take years to use this information to make this terrible superbug.
BANFIELD: I'm going back in my mind and that's never a good thing, especially on the fly, as to how dangerous this epidemic was when we covered a couple of years ago? How many people have actually have died from bird flu?
COHEN: That's an important question because people talk about bird flu and flip out. Let's get some numbers behind the actual flipping.
When bird flu, so far, has affected 602 people, so 602 people got infected. Three-hundred-fifty-five of those died and, so, Ashleigh, it doesn't take be a mathematician to figure out, that's more than a 50 percent mortality rate. That is not good. That's the bad news.
The good news is that this virus does not spread easily from person to person and that's what the superbug would do. If you could create a superbug version of this that spread easily, person to person, you've then got a virus with more than a 50 percent mortality rate, spreading, person to person, easily. That's the problem.
BANFIELD: Yeah, and that's the thing we're talking about which is why this makes this so concerning.
All right, so you can't take the weekend off, then. You have to stay on it.
COHEN: That's right. I'll be here, watching out for bird flu.
BANFIELD: I love it. Elizabeth Cohen, thank you very much. Appreciate that.
A reminder to our viewers, if you want to be an empowered patient, I would highly recommend it. You could read her book. You can also check our her blog on CNN.com.
BANFIELD: The Hispanic vote, crucial, absolutely crucial in the race for the White House this year. And President Obama and Mitt Romney know that and they are vying for that vote.
The president came out with a new immigration policy last week and, at a gathering of Hispanic leaders in Florida yesterday, Mitt Romney outlined his plan, as well.
In it, he says he would reallocate green cards to keep families together. He would update temporary worker visa programs. He would give green cards to advanced degree holders and legal status in return for military service.
Now, listen to that last one. Legal status in return for military service. That is not completely new, not entirely any way, but, boy, would that be a boon for immigrants.
Chris Lawrence is live at the Pentagon. Talk to me a little bit about this. This seems to be resurfacing. I have definitely heard it before, not so much new on the menu, but maybe critical on the political menu.
CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Well, it actually -- if he's talking about actually giving citizenship to people who are right now undocumented or illegal, that would be a big change and that would greatly increase the recruiting pool that some of the military services have to draw from.
Right now, the way the law is now, you've either got to be a legal resident or green card holder or, if you've got certain skills, you can be a temporary visa holder. In other words, you've lived in the U.S. for at least two years and you've got a legal temporary visa.
But, again, all of those are legal categories, legal immigrants and there are some real advantages to having the armed forces recruit some of these immigrants. One is the fact that they stay in longer.
After about four years U.S. citizens, about 32 percent of them, will get out of the military, whereas only about 16 percent, 18 percent of noncitizens get out, so that cuts down on your training and your recruiting costs when people stay in longer.
They also bring language skills that can be very expensive to teach. They can, in a lot of ways, bring those with them to the table.
The disadvantage is, if you're going to have undocumented people coming into the military, you're going to incur a lot more costs in terms of vetting and doing background checks.
BANFIELD: If you can even do them at all. How are we supposed to get access to information and records on people who are from different countries who may not want to supply that information?
So what exactly is the solution there? Are there any details on what to do if this is a reality, if we are about to give citizenship to people who sign up to serve?
LAWRENCE: Well, right now, all of the people who come in with sort of temporary status, after one day of honorable service during wartime, can apply to be U.S. citizens and you've got to be a U.S. citizen to get a security clearance to do certain jobs in the military.
Now, if this were to go into effect with undocumented immigrants coming in, that would be a whole new ball game. Right now, there have been undocumented immigrants who have served honorably in the United States military.
I can think of a woman a couple years ago, she was injured in a suicide bombing in Iraq. Her commanding officer was killed. She scrambled to help bandage up fellow troops.
They later found out that she was using her aunt's name. She was an immigrant from Mexico who had enlisted right after 9/11 and served for about eight years. She was honorably discharged because of her service in the military, but she was discharged because, in effect, she did lie when she came in.
BANFIELD: It's amazing, still an honorable discharge, but no citizenship, right, Chris? She didn't get that.
LAWRENCE: Right. She was only about five days away from her swearing-in ceremony and they called her and said, hey, you're not going to be able to make this. We need you to come in.
And they said, basically, look, we know who you are and sort of the gig was up. She just felt -- she knew what she was doing. She went in, right after 9/11, and she had called and said, I want to join the military.
They said, no, you've got a Mexican passport. You can't join. So she went back to her family and asked her family about using her aunt's identity. She served in the military, deployed to Iraq for many, many years.
BANFIELD: That kind of commitment is I want to say commendable. This is such a hard story because I know there are a lot of people who feel differently about it.
Chris Lawrence, great work. Thank you, sir. Have a good weekend.
LAWRENCE: Yes, you're welcome. You, too.
BANFIELD: By the way, I want to let you know that Senator Marco Rubio is probably waiting in the wings somewhere behind those lovely American flags. He's going to be speaking at the NALEO conference probably -- I'm doing math here very quickly -- again, not my strongest suit -- but in about 20 to 25 minutes from now.
So we're keying up the mikes, making sure that we're ready to go at the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials live from Lake Buena Vista in just moments.
And, by the way, we're also going to bring you what President Obama is going to do, too, because he is scheduled to be there live in just a couple of hours, too. So just, basically, keep it on CNN.
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SENATOR MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: I think what you've seen Governor Romney trying to do is trying to figure out how to come up with a pro-America, pro-economic growth approach that is both humane and compassionate and honor our legacy as a nation of immigrants, but also understand that we do have an illegal immigration problem and that we can't be the only country in the world that doesn't enforce its immigration laws.
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BANFIELD: He's being vetted as Mitt Romney's running mate. You know him, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, and he's throwing his support behind Romney's stance on immigration.
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RUBIO: I think he's been pretty clear he doesn't support the Dream Act and I don't support the Dream Act either. I do think there's a better way to do it. I talked about that in my book.
There is a way to accommodate these kids that is no fault of their own, but there's a way to accommodate then without encouraging or incentivizing illegal immigration in the future. (END VIDEO CLIP)
BANFIELD: And the senator doing a reset of the Dream Act.
In case, you are wondering, Rubio's book is titled "An American Son." You can have a look at it, there on your screen. Check it out, online.
But the guy in person expected to take center stage, again, middle of your screen right now, between the two American flags. He's supposed to address the Hispanic leaders conference which is referred to as the annual NALEO conference. It's happening in Florida. It's the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials.
So, basically, hundreds and hundreds of super-important Latino people in that audience and everybody wants that vote, especially in swing state Florida. That's in Lake Buena Vista. We are continuing to watch those mikes and we'll go hot with them at about 11:45, so keep it tuned right here to CNN for that.
In the meantime, two towns dominated by that jailed polygamist leader, Warren Jeffs, are being sued, folks. The Justice Department has slapped them with a lawsuit, claiming that authorities discriminated against citizens in those towns who just so didn't happen to belong to the polygamist sect.
The suit says that they carried out intimidation. They did it in a campaign, denying houses and services to the unfaithful while allowing members to destroy their property.
You might know this, but Warren Jeffs is serving a life sentence for raping two underage girls or assisting in the rape of underage girls, but it's said that he's still in control of those towns, even from behind bars.
Another story we have our eye on, as well, a mother arrested for allegedly planting drugs on a school volunteer. She had previously written a book about committing the perfect and there's the evidence right there.
"The L.A. Times" is reporting that the book, published last year, was written under a pen name. Prosecutors say 38-year old Jill Easter and her husband, Kent, planted the drugs in the volunteer's car because they felt that she did not properly supervise their son. Stay tuned to that story.
With a college degree and the down payment for a home, this week's "CNN Hero" was living the American dream when he came face-to- face with his past. HIV/AIDS had ravaged Jackson Kaguri's Ugandan village, wiping out an entire generation of the parents in that village.
So he made a decision. Again, got the American dream going here, chucked it all, returned back to his roots to provide life-saving assistance to others. You have got to listen to his story.
T. JACKSON KAGURI, COMMUNITY CRUSADER: In Uganda, HIV/AIDS can strike like a machete in the cornfield, killing men and women, leaving 1.2 million children orphaned.
The grandmothers stepped in and closed that gap. Some of them have up to 14 children to raise.
I was born and raised in Nyaka village. I moved to America. I went to Columbia University.
I came to visit. I looked in these eyes of women who carried me a child and said, now, is the time to also give back.
I am Jackson Kaguri of the Nyaka AIDS Orphans Project.
Who is happy this morning?
We started with $5,000 that my wife and I had saved for a house. We provide free education to children who are orphaned by HIV/AIDS. We provide them uniforms, healthcare, library, clean water, and we started giving them meals. We teach grandmothers the skills so they can support themselves. 11 years later, this project has produced close to 600 students and helps about 7,000 grandmothers. I feel humbled looking in the faces of the children smiling focused on what their dreams are going to be.
BANFIELD: Karen Klein -- heard that name before? Just last week, she was an unassuming bus monitor in upper Upstate New York. Now she's becoming a household name. You've probably heard her name because of this video. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: You're a troll. You're a troll. You're a troll. You old troll.
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: How about I bring my knife and cut you. If I stabbed you in the stomach, I'd (EXPLETIVE DELETED), my knife would go through you like butter because it's (EXPLETIVE DELETED) butter.
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BANFIELD: Middle schoolers, middle schoolers bullying their bus monitor, a 68-year-old grandmother. And because of this video, we are now seeing an entirely different side to this story. We're seeing compassion. We're seeing an outpouring of support from strangers around the world. And here is the proof. See the number on the right-hand side of your screen? The $491,783? This is a crowd funding web site. It was launched to send Karen on a nice vacation and instead it was deluged with money. Donations came in on the fly. In just 24 hours we're talking almost $500,000 from strangers to Karen. And the original goal of this web site on the vacation was $5,000.
Karen, for her part, is in disbelief about all of this kindness. And she had a chance to tell Anderson Cooper what she felt about it last night.
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KAREN KLEIN, BUS DRIVER TAUNTED BY STUDENTS: I still can't believe it. I can't believe it that there's that much. I mean, it's a nice gesture but I just don't know if it's for real or not. It sounds too good to be true.
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BANFIELD: Well, so far, Karen, it is for real.
To get a better perspective on all of this, let's bring in a child psychologist, Rachel.
Rachel, thank you for coming in.
RACHEL SCHEINFIELD, CHILD PSYCHOLOGIST: Thank you for having me.
BANFIELD: I'm glad to talk to you, of all people, because I was reading your bio and you got your PhD in school psychology.
BANFIELD: I've got to ask you, when Anderson asked Karen last night if -- how she felt about these kids, these 12-year-old middle schools that deluged her with abuse for 10 minutes, she didn't seem to say that they were bad kids but caught up in something really bad. Can you explain it?
SCHEINFIELD: Sure. You want to believe that children are good at heart and have the best of intentions and, oftentimes, they get caught up in peer pressure and just don't really think clearly and make good choices. and we're hoping that this is one of those situations that has gone too far, where peer pressure was instituted by one of the groups of boys and they just egged the other one on and caused this horrible situation to occur.
BANFIELD: So I'm sure you've probably heard this, Rachel, but the police in Upstate New York and that community are pretty worried right now because there have been death threats against these 12-year- olds.
Let's remind everybody that they are 12.
And they are trying to tamp this all down and just say, that's one more form of bullying, for those people to pile on and suggest that these kids need to be threatened like that. What do we need to know about the mind of a 12-year-old and the mind of our own little 12-year-old?
SCHEINFIELD: As we know, 12-year-olds don't always make the best of choices and you have to think about how they express their emotions. At 12, not every 12 year old knows how to express their emotions properly. So when you're feeling frustrated or angry, you have a tendency to be verbally aggressive, you have to think about, who have their role models been during your lifetime? Is that how your parents or caretakers, is that how your peers handle times when m maybe they're feeling frustrated, angry or bully about themselves? Bullying is often a result of poor self-esteem and poor self-concept. So you have to wonder that.
BANFIELD: Let me ask you this. I've been trying to put myself on that bus. I can't see the purview of the other angles. I can only see that one angle, as you could. But I kept wondering if some of those kids were jumping into this frenzy and trying to one up each other, really not regarding where these insults were landing. It was more a contest than attack. Is there anything to that?
SCHEINFIELD: Well, you have to think about, this is an older woman. She's an adult and you're taught in school that you want to respect your authority. You don't want to defy authority. Simply because she's a supervisor intended to create safety and security for the children, these children had a complete lack of regard for this adult. And I think that by one upping each other, that's a way of them saying, look, whatever type of adult this is, whether they view them in a high position of authority or not, they seem to think that's acceptable and that's OK. So the cycle got out of control. And whether you're disrespecting somebody who you perceive at a lower level of authority or higher level of authority doesn't make it right.
BANFIELD: That's the understatement of the last 24 hours. The cycle got out of control. I just inherently want to believe that a 12-year-old isn't so toxic, you know. I want to believe that there's something good to these kids and that something else took hold and, God help us, if that's going on all over the country.
Rachel Scheinfield, thank you so much for being with us.
Thank you so much for having me.
BANFIELD: I also want to let you know that while two of the accused middle schoolers and the father of the third student sent statements to the police with big apologies for their behavior, Karen Klein says none of the boys have actually directly apologized to her.
BANFIELD: Got a live picture up on my right here if you're taking a look at your screen. That is the scene in Lake Buena Vista, Florida, day two of the annual National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials. Senator Marco Rubio, coming at you live. He's following up on a big act yesterday, Governor Mitt Romney, speaking to that group about immigration. Really walking a fine line on policy there. Kind of dancing around. Coming up in about five minutes, Marco Rubio will get out of the Spanish, hopefully, more into the English. He is being vetted as a possible running mate. We'll dip into that as soon as he gets away from the thank yous and the formal stuff at the beginning at the being of one of these speeches. When you get to the meat of it, we'll take you there.
Also, coming up at 1:00 eastern, President Obama will be taking to that podium, too, so there's a lot of news on CNN today.
I want to tell you this. We're also in another breaking news situation. From jury selection to witness testimony, to the closing arguments, the trial of Jerry Sandusky has ripped along at a break- neck pace. Now the lawyers and the witnesses and journalists and the judge all are taking a backseat to 12 very important people, the jurors. And they can take as much time as they want with this thing. We're only in day two of the deliberations and really the first full day of deliberations.
Because they are sequestered, they are supposed to be completely unaware of a bombshell that was dropped yesterday while they were behind closed doors with this case in trying to decide it.
Sara Ganim is with me now. She's a Pulitzer Prize-winning crime writer for the Harrisburg Patriot News. She also a CNN contributor. And she has been working this case. She broke the story.
Let's talk bombshell first, Sara. You could have heard a pin drop when you heard that Jerry Sandusky's adopted son, Matt, announced to his lawyers that he himself was alleged a victim of his father's sexual abuse. And most people wanted to know right away, how on earth did that not get in this case.
SARA GANIM, REPORTER, HARRISBURG PATRIOT NEWS & CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, Ashleigh, the first answer is that he was never called to the stand to testify. The long answer, though, is that Matt Sandusky did testify before grand jurors about a year ago, and we don't know exactly what he said, but Jerry Sandusky's attorney was not worried about his testimony at all. He said that it was not something that they were concerned about. So I would assume, from that, that he did not make any accusations against his adopted father.
He also was sitting in the courtroom with Jerry Sandusky's supporters when this trial began when opening statements were given. He was called out as a potential witness in support of his adopted father. That all kind of changed some time during the course of this trial. He came back into the courtroom, even though he had been sequestered as a witness, and listened to testimony as alleged victim number four. He said that during one incident in the shower with Jerry Sandusky, Matt Sandusky was present and left right as the assault was beginning, right as the alleged touching and horsing around was happening in the shower. It was never seen in the courtroom after that. But about 10 days after he initially sat in support of his adopted father, with his adopted family, he put out a press release saying that, for the first time, that he was an alleged victim of Jerry Sandusky.
BANFIELD: Here's my question for you. Everybody knows what a sequestered jury is. It means that they are closed off. They can't go home. They can't talk to their families. They can't read the newspaper, watch TV until they are done, until they have finished their job. But it doesn't always work. Sometimes they have cell phones. Sometimes a newspaper is left around. Sometimes a radio is on louder than it should be and sometimes there are TVs. Do we have any indication, Sara, that those 12 behind closed doors may have any inkling of what dropped yesterday?
GANIM: All I can tell you, Ashleigh, right before they went into the sequestration -- a caveat here. They weren't in sequestration before deliberations but they are now. Right before they went in to deliberate, the judge said, you'll be staying in a hotel, your cell phones will be confiscated, the hotel won't have phones, and the television in the hotel room will be shut down. So they can't have access -- I mean, I think the court is doing everything it can to keep them from having that kind of access but we simply don't know the answer to that.
BANFIELD: Sara Ganim, stay on it for us as we continue this verdict watch in the 48 counts that Sandusky is facing.
Thank you, Sara, live in front of the Bellefonte courthouse.
Let me remind you that if that 68-year old is convicted, he would likely spend the rest of his life in prison because he could face 500 years in prison.
BANFIELD: In a little more than an hour, the president of the United States, Barack Obama, will address the gathering of the Latino leaders in Florida. It's expected he will talk about the new immigration policy because that's a hot topic in that group. He's trying to court the Hispanic vote, as is his rival, Mitt Romney. Just four years ago, he was at the same place, promising hope and change to his Hispanic voters. But it is all about immigration right now.
Senator Marco Rubio has taken to the front of the podium. He has been speaking in Spanish, he's back into English. He's talking immigration. So let's listen in.
SEN. MARCO RUBIO, (R), FLORIDA: -- illegal immigration in the future. And that's why enforcement processes are important as part of any reform.
But I also think we have to reform our legal immigration system. I tell people all the time, the single greatest contributor to illegal immigration is a burdensome, bureaucratic and complicated legal immigration process. There are millions of people in this country that would go back home if they thought they could come back next year again to work in their seasonal jobs. I know of no one that wouldn't rather immigrate legally if they could, if they could afford it. There are some people that are out of status through no fault of their own. Someone told them they were an immigration lawyer and gave the guy a $5,000 check and the guy vanished. Now they are undocumented. It is complicated.
If we are able to reform and modernize our legal immigration system, if we can win the confidence of the American people back, we are left with the issue of millions people of people still undocumented. But the question is, what do you do about them? I have talked about what you do about the kids. What about everybody else? Here is the truth. We are honest with ourselves. We don't know yet. It is not easy. I know we are not going to deport -- round up and deport 12 million people. I know we are not going to grant amnesty to 12 million people. Somewhere between those two ideas is the solution that will never be easy, but I promise you we will get easier to find if we have a legal immigration system that works and a confidence of the American people that we are serious about enforcing our laws.
Some may say that's too much to ask, this balanced approach. It is, if it continues to be politicized. I was tempted to come here today and rip open the policies of the administration. In a few moments, you will hear from the president. I was tempted to come here and tell you, hey, he hasn't been here in three years. What a coincidence. It is an election year. I was tempted to tell you, why didn't he make this issue a priority. I guess -- I was about -- I just did tell you.
RUBIO: But --
RUBIO: -- that is not the direction I wanted my speech. Because if I did, if that's what came here to talk to you about, then I would be doing the exact same thing I just criticized. Exact same thing that I just criticized.
So is it possible for us to reach that point? Let me close by telling you why I think we should, and we must. I really rely on a story recently learned of. I-didn't know the story before. I recently learned of it. It's the story of an elderly man, came to the U.S. legally. And then decided to get back to his country because he was a little discouraged by the way things were here and decided to go back to his country again.
BANFIELD: Let me jump in for a moment, as he is talking about this anecdote about the man that went back to his country. The politics we just got out of, clever, Mr. Senator, very cleaver to suggest, I was going to criticize him for A, B, C, D, but I don't think I will criticize him for A, B, C, D, but I just did.
Juan carols Lopez, from CNN Espanol, joins me live from Florida.
Here is my question for you, sir. Everybody knows, by this point, that Mitt Romney has been painted into a bit of a corner on immigration because President Obama came out with his policy on not deporting children of illegals as long as they meet A, B, C. Mitt Romney has not answered at to whether it would wipe that off the map as president.
This man on the screen, he's sharing the screen with us, Marco Rubio, says he does not any longer support the original version of the Dream Act. So what does he support? What is Marco Rubio's position now when it comes to immigration? JUAN CARLOS LOPEZ, CNN SPANISH CORRESPONDENT: He had his own version of the Dream act where he says these kids should have a solution but it shouldn't lead to citizenship. They should be able to legalize their status. They should be able keep going to school, join the military if they want to. It shouldn't lead to citizenship.
Now, he was talking of this anecdote of this elderly man. This is in reference to his own grandfather who came to the United States legally and ended up going back to Cuba. Then returned and he -- the immigration authorities considered he couldn't stay, tht he had given up his residency and asked him to leave. But it was a very sensitive time in the U.S. politics and he was able to stay. Many criticized him, saying you have a history, your family is an immigrant family. Why aren't you supporting those that are here? He said he is, and just said in his speech. He believes there must be a solution between those who want to bring amnesty to about 11 million undocumented people and those who say they should be deported. Where do you find the common ground?
BANFIELD: Amen to that. There's some incredible statistics when it comes to, you know, unemployment and when it comes to the economy and Hispanics' view on economy. It is 50/50 almost, you know, across the country. Most pressing issue facing the Latino community today is the economy. Only 46 percent of those who respond said it is immigration.
Really quickly, wrap it up for me. The president is coming with the same message or something completely different?
LOPEZ: The president is coming to show that he -- he had this new policy that will help kids, at least 800 thousand kids. It's not immigration reform, which he promised, but he says it is more than what are Latinos have been getting from the Republicans. It's going to be a contrast between what Democrats do and have done, and what Republicans haven't done, and that's a question. Economy number is the number-one issue for Latinos. Immigration is a question that gets people involved and gets people upset, and we are going to see how they react to the president in this gathering of Latino officials.
BANFIELD: Juan carols Lopez, thanks very much. Much appreciated.
Coming up now on CNN, Suzanne Malveaux is live at Maleo (ph) and she will bring you the latest after this quick break.